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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:20 pm
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some really harsh words about jerry west:

so do you buy this unflattering picture?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 3:18 pm
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The author is a friend of Jackson, that's question mark No.1; he is playing the role that he accuse West was playing, a back stabber who leaked inaccurate information on the media, that's 2; he keep saying others made all the suggestions, but he can't deny West made the decision, that's 3. I personally think there is no genius in the world, but a guy who can listen to other's advices and always made the right decision come close to it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:39 pm
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Rosen conveniently omitted to mention that it was Jerry West who fought hard to hire Phil Jackson, against the wishes of Dr. Buss, at time time, Lakers had a talented team surrounding Shaq and Kobe, but could not get over the hump, early exits in the playoff----kind of like the Sacto King of the Last three years.

But Phil came at a high price tag, $5 mil, which Buss didn't want to pay. West got Kobe and Shaq to issue to an ultamatum to Buss---either sign Jackson, or we'll opt out. Buss relented, and was very pissed at Jerry West.

Once on board, it was Phil who back-stabbed Jerry West. Jackson leveraged his romantic relationship w Dr. Buss daughter to nudge Jerry West out. Buss started to relieve many of Jerry West's responsiblities to his 3 no-ready-for-prime-time children (a former Playboy centerfold, a former race car driver and a former drug addict)

this was the ultimate insult to the man who help Buss to build the Lakers.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:36 pm
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It is most unfortunate that Charlie Rosen---thru innuendos---had resorted to character asassination (of Jerry West). Jerry West has proven, time and time again, to be a shrewd Basketball man.

Charlie Rosen wrote:
...The fact of the matter, however, is that West was determined to use the Lakers' first pick (and the NBA's first overall) to draft not Magic, but Sidney Moncrief. It was only after prolonged hours of being convinced otherwise by both Bill Sharman and Chick Hearn that West finally yielded and selected Magic....
Rosen got it wrong. initially Hearn and West wanted Moncrief and Bill Sharman wanted Magic. Jerry West had the final say-so; in the end, he heeded Bill Sharman's advise. Being a good GM requires the ability to listen to experts, which West did often.

Yet Rosen would have his readers to believe that, because his initial decision was not the final one, West should not get the credit.

Charlie Rosen wrote:
West has likewise taken credit for building the Magic-Jabbar-Worthy dynasty, when it was Sharman who did much of the planning.
Indeed, that Sharman played a key role. Being a good GM requires the ability to listen to experts, which West did often. ultimately, Jerry West made the final decision, w lots of expert input.

Rosen would have his readers to believe that, because he involved others in the planning, West should not ge the credit.

[quote="Charlie Rosen"] Did both Shaq and Kobe come to L.A. during West's watch? Certainly, but here again, others pulled the strings

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:59 am
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bblock, tanhuan -- i agree. don't buy any of this. why tarnish the legacy of the main man behind the lakers organization?

spin from the jackson camp? or buss apologists?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 10:44 am
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maguro wrote:
Charlie Rose---spin from the jackson camp? Yip

Charlie Rosen was interviewed by SoCal radio personalities/columnists (Joel McDonnell & Doug E. Krikorian) on Fri; KSPN 710, an ESPN outlet in LA. They ambushed Rosen for the gross inaccuracies, and lack of fact-checking, in his article on Jerry West---in a manner similar to Rosen's public dissing of the Zeke from Cabin Creek on

Krikorian, a columnist for 35+yrs, and formerly a beat writer covering the Lakers, provided specific details invalidating Rosen futile points (based on half truths) to the effect that Jerry West should not get any credit for building the Lakers. In response, Rosen could not provide any details, other than saying that "my sources are more reliable than yours".

Then McDonnel, a 30+yr veteran of the LA sporting scene, lashed out at Rosen, "...that is a bunch of bull. We make our living based on the accuracy of our reporting, else we're a goner. The fact that both of us have survived this cut-throat business in LA, for 30+ yrs, is testamony to the accuracy and reliability of our reporting. LA is a very fickled market, if you're not good, you're gone.

While both of us pound the pavement for stories and fact-checking, you've never been to LA, and can only mimick the tales spewed by the self-proclaimed Zen Master. We know the names & Tel # of all Lakers employees, past and present, their agent, spouse and family, as well as best friends. We know most of their favorite hang-out places. You don't even have Phil's Tel # in LA; all you do to to copy the words from Phil's EMail messages to you...."

The Most Embarrassing :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: Moment
In Rosen's story, he had insinuated that Jerry West had influenced Kobe to sue Phil Jackson for slander, after Jackson had publicly said that Kobe had intentionally thrown away games in High School.

Joel and Doug grilled Rosen for his sources on that story. Rosen asserted that he had 3 unimpeachable sources on that. Joel & Doug laughed their asses off on radio. Actually, they had started it (suggesting that Kobe should sue phil) as a prank on radio; got some good mileage out of it. Some local Sport Writer actually followed up on their prank, by suggesting the names of some high-power attorneys.

"Not only do you suck in fact-checking, you wouldn't even know what news sources are, even if you're talking to them. had you bothered to check you facts, you'd have known that we started that prank ! :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:59 pm
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I don't see how it matters if it was West's idea to do any of those things. If it wasn't his idea to sign Shaq, trade for Kobe, or sign Phil Jackson he still had the final say-so about them.

Who knows if he traded Divac for Kobe simply because the kid had all the potential in the world or simply to free up cap space. It doesn't matter because either way you look at it the move was smart.

Also, if anyone doubts Jerry West's ability to build a team then only need to look at Memphis. Once the laughing stock of the NBA they are only 1 big move away from becoming true contenders. If the Lakers weren't too scared to trade Shaq to a WC team West probably would have gotten him. He definately has the players to trade.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:50 am
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The article on the FOX website seemed more of a personal attack on Jerry West, the man, than a fair objective assessment of Jerry's job as GM/VP.

Much of the evidence that the author of the article presents to the reader is hearsay and we would have to take his word that he would posses such information. Credibility seems to be the biggest issue of this column. Do you prefer to believe the credibility of the author or Jerry West.

I believe the last line of the author

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:55 am
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bblock, thanks for the local media rebuttal.

the slander prank thing is hilarious.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:31 pm
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maguro wrote:
bblock, thanks for the local media rebuttal.

the slander prank thing is hilarious.
the same LA media has revealed this tidbit on PJax

in 1999, before the start of his 1st season w the LAkers, Phil wanted to trade Kobe to the Phoenix Suns for J Kidd and S Marion; Jerry West shot it down. also confirmed by pJax's recent book "Final Seasonn"

on this past SuperBowl day, PJax phoned Buss attempting to persuade him to trade Kobe. As it turned out, Kobe was w Jerry Buss watching the SuperBowl. Kobe made it known then he and PJax can't co--exist.

Effectively, it was Kobe who forced out PJax; the same way that pJax had forced out Jerry West.

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