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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:14 pm
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Dr. No wrote:
only a 笨蛋, such as PRY, would equate inferior competition to the NBA :roll:


Only a 笨蛋 like you would differentiate something like guarded vertical leap vs unguarded vertical leap. :roll: :roll: :roll:

And WHO is equating inferior competition to the NBA?? :roll:

The 2011 Nike Asia Pacific Team Camp invited every of the 4 strongest teams (all comprised of Under 18 ~ 19 players) in Asia Pacific; China, led by Wang Zhelin, beat South Korea, Australia and New Zealand to be the champion team, and Wang Zhelin was awarded MVP.

THAT MVP award in itself manifested that Wang Zhelin is the best and of potentials in that age group in the whole Asia Pacific region.

And his performance in the 2012 Nike Summit Hoop, owning 2 of the most promising centres Nerlens Noel and Kaleb Tarczewski of USA further solidified the fact that Wang Zhelin could be one of the best centres/players in his age group.
In 22 minutes of action, Wang Zhelin scored 19 points (8/11 FG%) and 8 rebounds, and completely outplayed and dominated Nerlens Noel and Kaleb Tarczewski. Noel finished with 5 points and 4 rebounds and Tarczewski was scoreless with no rebounds.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:44 pm
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you record of assessing BB talent, such as it has been, speaks for itself.

it's plateaued sun all over again. :!:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:26 pm
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YEAH..... I've just learnt one NEW and IMPORTANT basketball knowledge from our Dr. Moranus who knows basketball now that vertical leap needs to be differentiated into guarded and unguarded vertical leap, and that Wang Zhelin has ZERO contested/guarded vertical leap :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:34 pm
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the absolute certainties of life

in addition to death and taxes,

    PRY parroting "famous" Chinese sports writers' lies and presenting them as being gospel.
lest we forget, here are some of the lies that PRY had parroted
  • ZZW
    • was not given a chance in the NBA
    • it was his coaches' fault that ZZW got outta BB shape in the middle of a NBA season
  • Sun Yue
    • was out-shooting every Laker during practice :lol:
    • had already gained 12 kilos of muscles and cured his shooting woes during his first 2 mos w the Lakers
  • Jeremy Lin
    • had received an FA offer from the Lakers days before the NBA draft :lol: :lol:


2.0 is now PRy's new boy toy


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:16 pm
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Momak wrote:
bobliu wrote:

I want to see this guy reaffirm his stands on Wang Zhelin. I don't think any "sloe-footed, with zero vertical, and play with his feet nailed on the floor" player can average 13 rebounds a game in the CBA, or any other league for that matter.

If he backs off he would be a big troll that tell lies over this board. If he insist that Wang Zhelin is "slow-footed, with zero vertical, and play with his feet nailed on the floor", he would a total fool...


Dont hold your breath. To date he's never admitted wrong even though it was blatantly obvious. Rather he prefer to change the focus on the other person by bringing up something irrelevant that person said years ago.


YEAH.......EVERY OTHER poster on this forum knew EXACTLY WHAT our Dr. Moranus would do when does not want to admit he is wrong even though it was BLATANTLY OBVIOUS. :roll: :roll: :roll:

SO LET IT BE..........and Wang Zehlin , who had won numerous MEANINGLESS AND WORTHLESS MVP awards in various continental tournaments and camps in the past, continues to be a slow-footed BBer that had ZERO contested/guarded vertical leap, that played with both of his feet nailed to the floor, but grabbed 13 rpg, and is one of the 2 Chinese players (the other was Yi Jianlian, 10 years his senior) that averaged 20/10 in his rookie season in CBA as a 19-years-old playing against a bunch of ex-NBAers.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:07 pm
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pryuen wrote:
...in his rookie season in CBA as a 19-years-old[/b][/color] playing against a bunch of ex-NBAers. [/size]....
stop being intellectually dishonest.

CBA is inferior competition, less competitive than both the NCAA and the D-league.

the ex-NBAers playing in the CBA are of over-the-hill variety; if they're any good they'd still be playing in the NBA or the Euro league. :!:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:16 am
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Dr. No wrote:

stop being intellectually dishonest.

CBA is inferior competition, less competitive than both the NCAA and the D-league.

the ex-NBAers playing in the CBA are of over-the-hill variety; if they're any good they'd still be playing in the NBA or the Euro league. :!:


LOL !!! I KNEW you would use this ********** as your LAST STRAW of defense for your STUPID comment that Wang Zhelin is slow-footed with ZERO vertical leap playing with both feet nailed to the floor.

Are you AWARE that over DOZENS BBers that played in CBA are now back into NBA playing ??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Aaron Brooks, John Lucas, Chris Anderson, Allan Anderson, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, Kenyon Martin, Patrick Mills, Mike James, Wilson Chandler, Earl Clark, Gerald Green, Cartier Martin, Ivan Johnson .....just to name a few.

Ex NBAers playing in CBA are NOT NECESSARILY ALL belonging to over-the-hill category.

YEAH, you may argue players over 30 some years old like Stephon Marbury, Tracy McGrady, Gilbert Arenas, Eddy Curry, Peter John Ramos, Lester Hudson etc. belong to your category of over-the-hill players.

But still there are a bunch of ex-NBAers in their 26 ~ 28s playing in CBA. Alot of them had just been waived last season or this season (players like Terrence Williams, Von Wafer, Darnell Jackson, DJ White, Josh Boone, Blake Ahearn, Gary Forbes, Jermaine Taylor, Garret Siler, Sunidata Gaines, N'Diaye Hamady).

Well, there are reasons why they had been waived,
but that does not NECESSARILY means they're ALREADY DONE and SURELY you can't rule out the possibility that one day they can make it back to the NBA just like the other category of players I listed above.

The reason they chose CBA over some other leagues in Europe or Asia is SIMPLE. The season is relatively short and competitive and the CBA clubs can offer them BETTER $$$$$$$$ than NBDL or other European clubs.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:25 am
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There are 430 leagues in 270 countries and regions.
We can say CBA is a knock-off version of NBA.
Similarly, Bollywood is a knock-off version of Hollywood.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:56 am
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The CBA is inferior competition. Well duh, it's no NBA. But it's still rather impressive that this young kid in the CBA is dominating on a relatively bad team playing post ball. against ex-NBA talent. Over the hill or not, this kid's holding his own and he's so young in his first season with large development potential, and you cant deny that. It's clear you're a doubter of WZL which is fine in terms of NBA potential. No one knows for sure if he'll make it or how well he'll go. But so far none of us here seem to understand your Bateer 2.0 reference which you still havent explained, because as majority of posters have pointed out, their styles look so different from each other.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:54 am
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Momak wrote:
The CBA is inferior competition. Well duh, it's no NBA. But it's still rather impressive that this young kid in the CBA is dominating on a relatively bad team playing post ball. against ex-NBA talent. Over the hill or not, this kid's holding his own and he's so young in his first season with large development potential, and you cant deny that. It's clear you're a doubter of WZL which is fine in terms of NBA potential. No one knows for sure if he'll make it or how well he'll go. But so far none of us here seem to understand your Bateer 2.0 reference which you still havent explained, because as majority of posters have pointed out, their styles look so different from each other.


Well Dr. Moranus had made himself VERY CLEAR in various of his past posts.

To him:


  • Wang Zhelin is slow footed, as slow as Mengke Bateer;
  • He played with both feet nailed to the floor;
  • He has ZERO vertical leap;
  • All he relies is on his height and weight, cos he is at least 4 to 6 inches taller and 20 - 30 lbs heavier than his opponents ;
  • Other than throwing around his weight and height to over-power his weaker and under-sized opponents, basically he has NO SKILLS;
  • CBA is inferior competition; all players from NBA are over-the-hill; therefore Wang Zhelin's average 20/10 is inflated and meaningless;
Therefore he is just Mengke Bateer Version 2.0.

Of course for posters that had watched Wang Zhelin played (and that automatically excluded Dr. Moranus), ALL of the above were just BULL********** !!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

OR ELSE, in a MUCH MORE competitive CBA
filled with ex-NBAers than the era in which Mengke Bateer, Wang Zhizhi, Yao Ming or Yi Jianlian played their rookie season, WHY Wang Zhelin ALONE can have averaged 20/10 in his rookie season ??? :?: :idea: :?:

NO CHINESE PLAYERS HAD EVER ACHIEVED THAT in their rookie seasons.


In their respective rookie years:

  • Yao Ming (17 years old): 10 ppg/8.3 rpg
  • Wang Zhizh (18 years old): 14.9 ppg/6.8 rpg
  • Mengke Bateer (20 years old): 17.4 ppg/11.3 rpg
  • Yi Jianlian (15 years old on paper): 5 ppg/3.3 rpg
Even for Yao Ming, his career-high offensive rebound in 5 CBA seasons was 13 offensive rebounds for 3 to 4 times.
Wang Zhelin had broken that record already with 14 offensive rebounds.

He said Wang Zhelin played like Mengke Bateer who only relied on his height and weight, cos he is at least 4 to 6 inches taller and 20 - 30 lbs heavier than his opponents; he just had NO FVCKING CLUE that most of the centres and power forwards that Wang Zhelin was pitched up against are between 6ft 10 ~ 7 ft 2 or 3, and most of them are equal or heavier than Wang Zhelin. In fact one of the glaring weaknesses in Wang Zhelin's game is that he is not yet strong and muscular enough in his upper body, but he relies most of the time on his low post skills and footwork to spin past his opponents for point blank dunks, layups or hook shots; he is much mobile and agile than a young Mengke Bateer and often executed fast breaks and from coast to coast dunks/layups.


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