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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:16 am
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Interesting WSJ blog report on the movie.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2012 ... nst-china/
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There has been a long and on-going debate between some Chinese and westerners on whether the western media are biased in their China coverage or not. As defenders of western media rightly point out, negative news and critical commentaries may displease the Chinese, but they do not necessarily amount to biased coverage. Besides, there are plenty of positive stories about China in the western media too.

But the accusation of bias does not seem entirely unfounded. A case in point: Western media


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:04 am
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The same ****** happened with even a popcorn movie like Ip Man. Critics are bitching that it's propaganda or politically bigoted in its portray of Fascist Japanese

There's no moral equivalency in Hollywood. What's funny is how even this article implies the coverage of this movie is an oversight or an unintentional irony that critics and Hollywood should be called on.

This ****** is intentional. They want no other movies to be treated like Holocaust movies. It's by design that Nazi Germany is evil incarnate apart from any other. It's not an oversight that Japanese Fascism is treated differently from German Fascism. It's by DESIGN. Hollywood isn't looking to apply the same standard to China or Russia or Palestinians that they apply to Jews. In fact probably one of the things that PISSED THEM OFF about the Flowers movie is the uncomfortable reach that portrays others in WWII as close to evil incarnate as Germans.

It's like when Holocaust scholars get pissed and refuse to acknowledge the millions of Poles and Catholics who died in the same WWII programs by the Nazis as "Holocaust." Even sharing pisses them off. The entire point of the Holocaust is predicated on their prime and unparallelled suffering. Talking about evil Imperial Japanese is not only irrelevant but might actually be counter to their self interests. It's a sick state of mind where they're jealous of the suffering of others, and what others have suffered only has context in relation to them.

It's like... Hollywood will make movie after movie exaggerating black cowboys in the Old West but they won't say a peep about the hundreds of thousands of Southern Chinese in Old West. They'll make movies aggrandizing black Tuskeegee aviators but wont say ****** about the most decorated military unit of Japanese Americans. They'll do movies, tragedies comedies about Tsarist Pogroms of Jews but wont say ****** about the LA Riots. Discrimination of gays in corporate life gets nominated for Oscars in Philadelphia but movies about Asians get jack. Imagine a Borat movie set in Israel... it would be so anti semitic it'd burst into flames.

Hollywood wants to set the agenda. They can't let anyone else have equal seating at the table. It has to do with demonizing China but also with Hollywood setting that agenda, if you want "unity" you eat what they set. It's funny, Asian Americans literally cannot bring themselves to realize that discrimination by Hollywood isn't an oversight or "we haven't gotten to you guys yet" but intentional, calculated and supported by a massive corporate infrastructure to exclude them.

This whole controversy does show China's hubris though. It's funny that they think they'll be treated equally or with respect. They're so dense because of their pride. Dude, Asian Americans have gotten ****** on for 80 years in Hollywood, which China couldn't care less about but then they're shocked when Hollywood ****** on China? Just the idea that WWII Chinese would be treated like Jews is LMAO clueless

China does do a lot of bullshit with history. Look at Southwest history project with Tibet, Northeast project with Korea. They literally try to steal history. So it makes sense that largely ignorant and culturally indoctrinated Americans are suspicious of a movie that challenges them in a way that never even conceived. But you'd think that the assholes could recognize a decent movie aside from the political bullshit. But then I guess it's like asking Hollywood to give a fair review to a Mel Gibson movie. Or not fall all over a Woody Allen movie 20 years after his prime.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:47 am
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Thanks for pointing out the blog. I watched the movie when it came out on limited release for a week in a few cities in the US. It was a great movie, very powerful.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:02 pm
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zhang yimou would of won tons of oscars had he defected to america and make a lot of anti china movies :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:54 pm
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they would have given him a Nobel peace prize if he did that :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:56 pm
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Sadly, what you guys said is believable ...


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 3:30 pm
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koensayr wrote:
Thanks for pointing out the blog. I watched the movie when it came out on limited release for a week in a few cities in the US. It was a great movie, very powerful.


You're welcome. China is a big topic now and a lot of publications have spinned off a China section. The Economist currently did too, but I hear is sh1t. lol

I though it was interesting commentary about the double standard Western media has on China, and of Israel. Also, cool that a Chinese woman wrote it. Often Chinese women would be employed as a mouth piece for negative China criticism.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:26 pm
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Malorkayel wrote:
koensayr wrote:
Thanks for pointing out the blog. I watched the movie when it came out on limited release for a week in a few cities in the US. It was a great movie, very powerful.


You're welcome. China is a big topic now and a lot of publications have spinned off a China section. The Economist currently did too, but I hear is sh1t. lol

I though it was interesting commentary about the double standard Western media has on China, and of Israel. Also, cool that a Chinese woman wrote it. Often Chinese women would be employed as a mouth piece for negative China criticism.

well theres a book about freeing chinese daughters written by some chinese woman dissident from tiananman square protest :lol:


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