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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:28 pm
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[quote="Dr. Moranus"]PRY, stick to the topic you started, which is about scapegoating.

[size=200]笨蛋, [/size]what part of this you don't understand [quote="Dr. No"][size=109][color=red]old fart,
    your scapegoating the QE2 / Obama policies is no different than

      Americans scapegoating China for
      manipulating its currency aginst the USD
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Moranus once again you have problem with simple English. Pryuen hasn't BLAMED QE2 for the recession or anything. He has simply said QE2 hasn't done what YOU claim it's done.

YOU are the one who claims QE2 has fixed the economy and created jobs. Once again you're assbackwards, YOU make the claims then type a bunch of nonsense about someone else.


[quote="Dr. Moranus"][size=109][color=red]old fart,
    your scapegoating the QE2 / Obama policies is no different than

      Americans scapegoating China for
      manipulating its currency aginst the USD
      [/color][/size]


This is manifestly retarded statement. Here's just a couple ways QE and China's monetary policy are different.

1) China's monetary policy works.

2) QE2 does not work

3) China's monetary policy is EXPORT ORIENTED, designed to support the price of Chinese goods around the world

4) QE is US ORIENTED, designed to manipulate inflation IN THE US.

5) China's monetary policy is blamed for screwing the US economy, not its own economy

6) QE/Obama's monetary policy is blamed for screwing its own economy primarily

7) QE is blamed by AMERICAN economists and investors for screwing over the US economy

8 ) China's monetary policy is not blamed by ANYONE for screwing over the Chinese economy

9) QE has a MASSIVE DEFRAYED FINANCIAL cost which we are imposing onto our children and grandchildren by expanding national debt on their dime

10) China's monetary policy is profitable to China, simply screws the US.


BOTTOM LINE. China's monetary policy is something that screws others and helps the country implementing it at little cost to China. US's monetary policy screws over everyone but primarily the USA with a massive cost/longterm harm to the country implementing it.

You can't tell the difference between a policy that ADVANCES ITS OWN NATIONAL INTERESTS and one that DESTROYS ITS OWN NATIONAL INTEREST? To you shooting yourself in the foot and puling yourself up by the bootstraps is LITERALLY THE SAME THING?

Moranus you are stupid as ******. Quit typing stupid ******.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:01 pm
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[quote="temuchin"]

[size=109]Moranus once again you have problem with simple English. [color=red] Pryuen hasn't BLAMED QE2 for the recession or anything. He has simply said QE2 hasn't done what YOU claim it's done.

YOU are the one who claims QE2 has fixed the economy and created jobs.
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[size=117][color=red]Well NOT SURE WHY WHEN 99% of American people are DISCONTENTED AND UNHAPPY [/color][color=darkred]with the economic/unemployment situation, our Dr. Moranus was [/color][color=red]STILL PERSISITNG AND INSISTING: YEAH THE QE1 and 2 WORKED !!![/color] [color=darkred]It has fixed the economy and it had created jobs !!! [/color][color=red]WHAT A GENUIS Ben Bernanke is !!!! WHAT A GREAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS !!!![/color] :roll: [/size]

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:45 pm
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[quote="temuchin"]

[size=109]Moranus once again you have problem with simple English. [color=red] Pryuen hasn't BLAMED QE2 for the recession or anything. He has simply said QE2 hasn't done what YOU claim it's done.

YOU are the one who claims QE2 has fixed the economy and created jobs.
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[size=117][color=red]Temuchin

I DID blamed the inept monetary policies of previous Quantitative Easing creating the current global economic downturns and inflation.
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[color=darkred]The previous rounds of Quantitative Easings bailed out the ailing US banks and financial institutions, injected and flooded them and the markets with ample extra liquidity.

But instead of using that extra liquidity to increase lending to private sector/small businesses, to create job opportunities and enhance the unemployment/underemployment situation and revive US domestic economy, the banks/financial institutions used the extra liquidity to pay out lucrative executive compensation and bonuses for their CEOs/high executives, as well as dumped into the stock/commodity markets, both US domestic and international, to speculate for hit-and-run profits.

As a result, bubbles were created elsewhere, with commodities prices for gold, silver, oil, iron, coal, soy bean, corn, wheat, rice and practically everything went up and therefore triggered inflation in other countries.

And when those banks/financial instituions made their hit-and-run profit and withdrew their hot money, the US and global stock/commodity markets bubbles burst.[/color]

[color=red]As for the current fiasco of trying to pass this so-called Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011 is NOTHING BUT A CONVENIENT POLITICAL DIVERSION [/color][color=darkred] to pick the scapegoat, shift the blame and the public attention from the Obama Administration for not doing their job in reviving US economy and enhancing unemployment and underemployment situation.[/color]

[color=red]After all, 2012 is the Election Year. [/color][color=darkred]And the Obama Camp/the Democrats knew the current US economics issues will become [/color][color=red]HOT POTATOES [/color][color=darkred]and offer alot of ammunitions for the Republicans to bombard/attack Barrack Obama with.[/color] [/size]

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:00 pm
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bashing china to gain political points, nothing new. But correct me if I'm wrong, japan has been manipulating their yen for a long long time. I mean they always prevent their currency from rising too strong against the greenbac/k so their sonys and hondas won't be too expensive for the americans to buy yet the US dont throw a hissy fit. This is a viscious cycle, jp and china need to escape the stranglehold of US market.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:50 pm
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[color=red]The thing was the logic and rationale of this so-called Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011 is TOTALLY FVCKING WRONG.[/color] :twisted:

[color=darkred]Does Uncle Sam [/color][color=red]REALLY THINKS/BELIEVES[/color] [color=darkred]as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and that woman Democrat Shelley Berkley so strongly advocated, [/color][color=red]by passing the currency manipulation act, Uncle Sam will immediately get 3 to 4 millions jobs back???

The LOGIC FLAW
[/color] [color=darkred]for this Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011 and the real mistake of those supporting this proposed law directed at China is the[/color] [color=red]FALSE NOTION [/color][color=darkred]that there is a fixed number of jobs. Supposedly either the Chinese or the US gets those jobs. [/color] [color=red]But that is TOTALLY WRONG.[/color]

[color=darkred]Even if the Act is passed, Chinese government will still be subsidizing its industries for exports.

And even if heavier and punitive tariff would be levied on Chinese goods, it just meant[/color] [color=red] those additional tax burdens would be transferred to the end consumers, and the Amercians themselves suffer as they will have to pay MUCH MORE to buy those goods from China[/color] [color=darkred]which will furhter dampen consumer spendings, and make life more difficult for the common masses.

Has Uncle Sam realized that the core reason for their current unemployment/under employment issues does not lie in the Chinese currency manipulation??? [/color][color=red]It was due to Uncle Sam themselves is suffering structural unemployment:[/color] [color=darkred]alot of their big multinational companies are out-sourcing their jobs to China and other low labor countries; and there is a severe lack of aggregate demand and low consumer spendings that had made life difficult for small businesses to expand and hire. [/color]

[color=red]Does Uncle Sam REALLY believe they can compete with China [/color][color=darkred]in manufacturing of those low-end daily and household necessities: such as furniture, toys, stationaries, clothings, footwear, electrical appliances products ???[/color]

[color=red]Well, this new law OBVIOUSLY seems like an easy way out to shift the blame to China. But to SIGNIFICANTLY change the job employment situation???? NO WAY. [/color][color=darkred]US corporations will still outsource somewhere else instead of China: India, Vietnam, Cambodia, Mexico, Brazil etc. etc. etc. [/color]

[color=red]The BOTTOMLINE is the Americans will still be in the SAME DEEP SH!!!!!!!!!!!!T, and maybe EVEN WORST, having to pay MORE to buy goods from China.[/color][/size]


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:40 am
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[quote="temuchin"]
This is manifestly retarded statement. Here's just a couple ways QE and China's monetary policy are different.


7) QE is blamed by AMERICAN economists and investors for screwing over the US economy



You stupid moron, Chinese monetary policies do not screw the US.
Chinese monetary policies actually benefit the US. China lends money to the bankrupt US.

The US refuses to export certain high tech products to China. The US should blame itself.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:28 am
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one other point is that the jobs "created by reducing chinese goods" would just go to other countries rather than the united states unless they tax all imports from all other countries with cheap labors...


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:28 am
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[quote="temuchin"] Pryuen hasn't BLAMED QE2 for the recession or anything.
actually, he has.

it is a good eg that you can't read.

the old fart blames the QE2 for the rising cost of living in the backward city in China that he currently resides.

[quote="temuchin"] He has simply said QE2 hasn't done what YOU claim it's done. again, you have shown that you can't read
    [quote="Pryuen"] QE2 has been a failure [quote="Pryuen"]yeah, QE2 has saved over 50,000 jobs in Calif

[quote="Turd Chin"][quote="Dr. Co"][size=109][color=red]old fart,
    your scapegoating the QE2 / Obama policies is no different than

      Americans scapegoating China for
      manipulating its currency aginst the USD
      [/color][/size]


This is manifestly retarded statement. Here's just a couple ways QE and China's monetary policy are different. again, you showing you can't read.

the PRY was referring to the scagpgoating of China. i pointed out that he also is scapegoaing QE2 and Obama.

the topic is about [color=darkred]scapegorating[/color], it is just too bad that you're too stupid to understand that

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:14 pm
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[quote="Dr. Moranus"]
the PRY was referring to the scagpgoating of China. i pointed out that he also is scapegoaing QE2 and Obama.

the topic is about [color=darkred]scapegorating[/color], it is just too bad that you're too stupid to understand that


LOL IRL

scagpgoating
scapegoaing
[color=darkred]scapegorating[/color]

yeah I didn't read all of the crap you two have been arguing about before which is pretty stupid but blaming QE2 for all that ****** is stupid.

QE has impacted America's S&P rating etc but the real cost comes in a few decades when the debt that Obama is taking out at the behest of his jewish masters come to bite us in the *****. but who care? the jews will have moved to their businesses to China by that point like they moved from Germany to the US the last century and from Russia the previous century

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:25 pm
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[quote="temuchin"][quote="Dr. Moranus"]
the PRY was referring to the scagpgoating of China. i pointed out that he also is scapegoaing QE2 and Obama.

the topic is about [color=darkred]scapegorating[/color], it is just too bad that you're too stupid to understand that


[size=109]LOL IRL

[color=red]scagpgoating
scapegoaing
scapegorating
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[size=150][color=red]ROFLMAO !!!![/color][/size] :P :D :lol:

[size=117][color=darkred]Dr. Moranus had [/color][color=red]3 opportunities[/color] [color=darkred]to have that word spelled correctly in 3 simple sentences.

But he got them all spelled[/color][/size] [size=150][color=red]WRONG.

NUFF SAID.
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