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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:17 pm
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... -1.3104145

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As both an Asian-American basketball player and Asian male, Jeremy Lin has seen stereotypes emasculate his people.

Specifically as it affects relationships and sexual attraction, the Nets point guard said recently that there is a contrast in the way Asian-American males and females are viewed in society - which Lin believes contributes to the men struggling to find relationships outside of their race.

"A lot of times we have Asian girls go for non-Asian guys but you don't see a lot of the opposite," Lin said recently. "You don't see a lot of the opposite, you don't see a lot of non-Asian girls go for Asian guys. When they said 'Yellow Fever' growing up, it wasn't all these white girls going for Asian guys. It was the Asian girls going for the white guys.

"So I feel like it is definitely different. Asian-American males are viewed differently."

Lin indicated stereotypes are behind the problem and said the issue needs to be discussed. But rather than promote Asian masculinity, Lin's solution is to wait for society to see the light.

"I think we just need to keep being ourselves, the world will come around and appreciate us," he said. "Asian men, women, Asians in general. I think the time will come. Kill them with kindness for the time being."

Lin's remarks were in a Youtube video posted by fitness enthusiast Kevin Kreider, who asked the 28-year-old in a group Q&A, "Did you ever come across the stereotype of Asian guys not being attractive and if you have, how do you think we can break that in the American culture especially?"

Lin first related it to his experience in the NBA and the stereotypes that hindered his career.

"I feel like Asian-American masculinity is one of the issues that should be talked about way more and I feel like is very behind the 8-ball," he said. "So I think that to go to your point of being athletic, like me and John Wall were the fastest people in the draft but he was 'athletic' and I was 'deceptively athletic,'" Lin said. "I've been deceptively 'whatever' my whole life. …That's definitely an issue and we can just keep playing basketball. Hopefully we'll just keep being good and breaking the stereotypes."

Wall was taken first overall in 2010 and Lin went undrafted, playing in the D-League until his shot with the Knicks and the birth of Linsanity. Rockets GM Daryl Morey acknowledged that racial bias played a role his decision not to pick Lin, according to an excerpt published by Netsdaily.com of a book called, "The Undoing Project: A Friendship that Changed our Minds."

"The reality is that every person, including me, thought he was unathletic. And I can't think of any reason for it other than he was Asian," Morey said.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:50 am
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yeah obviously it's true but frankly it's changing due to Kpop and social media. at least in a subset of Western women

people are affected by weird ******. social media and internet makes a big impact, similar to what TV and movies did for past generations. for example a few years ago a Facebook dating app found that Asian women were the most preferred females...

but a lot of people think that's because of the prevalence of Japanese porn, because Chinese and also white dorks get hooked on that..

taking into consideration that

- online dating is either losers aka more likely to be drawn to asian females
- or dudes just looking for hook up/sex

it makes sense why on these apps and online things Asian women come out #1.

in most studies white women are usually still the most desired. it's just a subset that has a strong preference for Asians. usually dorks or fetish. or jewzz


whether or not Asian males are eventually seen as more desirable for me the main issue is compartmentalization. what we're seeing with Asians in general is that white & black society is falling back to the default of Asians, regardless of our perception of them, as "other"

like when they do multicultural stuff it's black, latino, gay + "other" Asians could well be considered attractive or rich or smart but they're a separate category.

in the 80s and 90s they at least tried to include Asians in Miss America and things that "represented" America. now Asians are seen at best as this niche thing separate from the rest.

I think whether Asian are considered attractive or not may or may not happen. IMO it's going to change but it doesn't mean that people will necessarily get less racist. what's more important is that regardless of what people THINK about Asians whether they INCLUDE Asians.

for example they can like or not like Asians. but for example they need to still let Asians go to college. people could have very good opinions about Asians intelligence or work ethic and they can still exclude Asians. whether Asians are attractive or not is a side issue and doesn't directly address anything.


if you take blacks. they are seen as desirable but on dating apps and stuff for real world hookups when you get the Opt Out options, black men are X-ed out as often as Asian males are. there are still many, maybe a majority of non-black women who don't want to associate with black men, regardless of the general desirability in society. black women are even worse


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:57 pm
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"Chnk in the Armor" guy from ESPN. His son going to grow up like Elliot Rogers?

These white dudes with Asian wives, talking sht on Asian Men. Their Asian sons are FCKED!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BTMpZU5gTI3/


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:17 pm
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Poor Lin. He's got to deal with competing against John Wall, Derrick Rose, Dwayne Wade, Isiah Thomas, Steph Curry and now that he's on vacation, he's got to deal with why people don't like Asian men.


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What seems to be me over the years that has hurt Asian men is "social value" in the western world. The dominant Asian facial/physical traits are considered particularly strange or unattractive versus other ethnic groups (small eyes, flat face, and shorter/leaner stature). Of course, Asians can be attractive as anyone but those Asians aren't dominant or prevalent enough in the public eye.

White washed Asian women see Asian men (although good earners/providers), as not sexy, not manly, not respected enough by various men and women of non-Asian/western culture/society. Asian women who appreciates and are self-aware of the Asian culture usually don't self hate nor reject Asian men (but they wouldn't turn down the advances of White men either).

Black men has cache in western society. How many ugly black men on TV/movies do you see (Don Cheadle, the black guy from Star Wars)? By quota or NLP and thru sports and music, the look of the black men has become acceptable in western culture. If a women dare say they don't date black men in the public forum, well you are just racist. Most black men think they are at least as socially valuable as White men (because of the BBC and if not for being victims of racism). Black men can be at the very low rung of society but also at the very high rung. Asians are doing good but in the middle and are usually out of sight. What do you expect being only 3% of the population in America?

Hollywood has try to promote some Asian stars (albeit foreign) like Chow Yun Fat and Rain and Jet Li, but this experiment came and went with less than average success. So I agree the "attractiveness" question is an incidental one that can not be directly attacked or changed overnight.


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2017 5:08 pm
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Asians now make up 5.6% of USA population, but that's because Indians were added to the list of "Asian Americans". Hawaii is where Asian men are seen as more attractive.

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This made Asian Americans 5.6 percent of the total American population. The largest ethnic groups represented in the census were Chinese (3.79 million), Filipino (3.41 million), Indian (3.18 million), Vietnamese (1.73 million), Korean (1.7 million), and Japanese (1.3 million).



In contrast, the NBA rosters is only 0.002% Asians.
But at least there is the Professional Frisbee Leagues. The American sports league where you'll see the most Asians in sports (men and women). 10%. http://asianplayers.com/ultimate-frisbee/ (A sport worth looking into)


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