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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:31 am
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pryuen wrote:
And Jason Kidd was not viewed as a leader for his Dallas Mavericks team as he had problems with the coaches;
yet another eg of PRY cutting n pasting w/o knowing the specifics.

Singer Toni Braxton was romantically involved w 3 young #1 round picks on the team,
    Mashburn, Jackson and Kidd,
causing a rift. over time, they all got traded away.





btw,
    altho things did not pan out in Dallas, there was no doubt to Kidd's skills and work ethics.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:18 am
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Dr. No wrote:
PhilNYC wrote:
My research has determined that it is stupid to think that a 21 year old player is a finished product at that age.
you conveniently left out that there is a 2-yr sample size on lazy D.
    plenty of TOs, passing to the wrong man, late to practices, and no D, leading to benching.

My research includes assessments from HoF West, Magic, Worthy and the actions of "player-friendly" coach Luke Walton, who had the cajones to bench lazy D, much to the dismay of owner Jim Buzz

i'd consider the quality of ur research on a par w Trump's research on Obama's place of birth


Russell is the equivalent of a senior in college. 2 years in the NBA as a 20-21 year old is still a 20-21 year old.

Magic said "D'Angelo is an excellent player. He has the talent to be an All-Star." His issue with Russell is that the Lakers "need a leader". So Magic's knock on Russell is that, at the ripe young age of 21, he is not the guy who can leader an NBA team. How many 21 year olds can do what Magic is asking for? The good news for the Nets is that they don't need Russell to be a leader right now...they have Jeremy Lin to be the leader. They have Jeremy Lin to mentor him. Russell had nobody like that with the Lakers...in his rookie year, they had Kobe, and we all saw how Kobe treats his teammates. In his second year, the veteran leadership on the team was Swaggy P and Luol Deng...not great examples of guys who can mentor young players.

So go ahead and write him off before he's even spent 1 day with the team...that just seems really stupid IMHO...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:19 am
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Dr. No wrote:
pryuen wrote:
And Jason Kidd was not viewed as a leader for his Dallas Mavericks team as he had problems with the coaches;
yet another eg of PRY cutting n pasting w/o knowing the specifics.

Singer Toni Braxton was romantically involved w 3 young #1 round picks on the team,
    Mashburn, Jackson and Kidd,
causing a rift. over time, they all got traded away.


Yup, great example of young guys who needed to mature because they lacked leadership skills early in their careers.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:23 am
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Dr. No wrote:
pryuen wrote:
PARTICULARLY SO for the point guard position !!! .
actually, it's the BIGs that takes longer to develop.

the most recent PG inductees to the NBA HoF, were able to hit the floor running from the start.

    Magic Johnson, Sidney Moncrief, Isiah Thompson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd


Yes, HoF PGs...not everyone can be a HoF PG.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:26 am
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PhilNYC wrote:
Russell had nobody like that with the Lakers....
D knew that Kobe gets in the gym aroun 5AM. he didn't follow.

but his contemporary, Nance Jr. did. and work to improve his post-up game and 3 pt. so did Randle.

none of his teammates were late to practice; D had been late several times.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:29 am
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PhilNYC wrote:
So go ahead and write him off before he's even spent 1 day with the team...that just seems really stupid IMHO...
nobody is writing him off.

he has shown his lack of dedication to the PG position. but he can shoot. I see him being as effective scorer from the 2 spot.

like former Net Kettles, except that Kettles is more athletic. nothing more :!:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:30 am
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pryuen wrote:
And Jason Kidd was not viewed as a leader for his Dallas Mavericks team as he had problems with the coaches; did not finish his rookie contract and was traded away to Phoenix Suns in his 3rd season as a 23-year-old, and he did not mature and flourish later. [/size]


This is a really good point. Jason Kidd played for 4 different NBA teams, getting traded 3 times in his career (twice before the age of 30). Had big questions about maturity and leadership ability...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:33 am
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But J Kidd was not Lazy; he was always a willing defender


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:39 am
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Dr. No wrote:
PhilNYC wrote:
So go ahead and write him off before he's even spent 1 day with the team...that just seems really stupid IMHO...
nobody is writing him off.

he has shown his lack of dedication to the PG position. but he can shoot. I see him being as effective scorer from the 2 spot.

like former Net Kettles, except that Kettles is more athletic. nothing more :!:


Assuming you are talking about Kerry Kittles (not Kettles). Russell and Kittles are nothing at all alike basketball-wise. Kittles was a long/lean running SG with an inconsistent shot and strong defender. Russell is a scorer who can create his own shot with average (if that) defender.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:41 am
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Dr. No wrote:
But J Kidd was not Lazy; he was always a willing defender


Yes, Kidd was an all-league defender and a great playmaker. Everyone saw his talent/skill, but they questioned his leadership and maturity.

Similarly, everyone (including Magic) says Russell is supremely talented, enough talent to be an all-star, but they question his leadership and maturity. He's 21 years old and was in a toxic environment with the Lakers.


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