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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:28 am
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karamazov wrote:
I think this tournament has demonstrated that China is better than they believe themselves to be. Sure they have problems, but who would have thought they could take Spain to OT.

haha no. they're about where they thought they were... solidly top 10, most likely top 8, possibly top 6 in the world.

what the chinese team has been able to do to its credit is to use homecourt advantage well and exploit its strengths while containing its weaknesses.

despite being in a tough draw, china's actually had an optimal schedule which minimizes pressure. they got 2 warmup games versus vastly superior teams with little or no pressure to win. then they had angola. the real MUST WIN of the tournament was Germany, but as a pressure value they also had a slightly favored Greece in reserve in case of collapse versus Germany. If they'd played Germany first or last that game would have been much more pressure and the game could have come down to a last second 50/50 shot... as opposed to coming down comfortably to the last 30 seconds.

What China's been able to do in its 2 wins is utilize its length and also ride yao. China's frontline abused Angola and similarly was superior to Kaman and Dirk inside (who despite a quiet 24 pts could not get anything inside including a TO to seal the game). and they got help on blocks and rebounds by Sun and China's other big players.

Although guard play has been homo, it's also been able to contain game-breaking TOs and hit enough jumpers to not lose games.

It's a vast exaggeration and a set up for disappointment to say something like "China is better than they believe themselves to be" when you cant even point to a single player on the chinese team and say... wow that guy is a lot better than we thought. Yao is Yao. Liu and Chen are Liu and Chen as everyone basically expected (TO/jack machine and superfast/undeveloped guard). Sun is slightly better than expected and Yi slightly worse. WZZ about the same... maybe Zhu is a lot better than thought but he's cooled off in the past few days.

Basically China's played solidly and with home court in the Olympics it's enough... there's actually a chance for China to advance to the quarters whether they play Lit or Arg... it's small but not outside the realm of possibility considering what other home teams have done in intl competitions

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:31 am
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pryuen wrote:
ArcticMonkey2 wrote:

Just watched the replay. You are so off, its not even funny.

1) The turnover was on Sun Yue. Chen pass it to Sun, and Sun dropped it to the German.

2) Chen went in for a layup and got knocked down to the floor, by the time he got back his man then went and hit a 3. How is that on Chen? Someone should of pick his man up before Chen get back on defense.

3) The 2nd 3 was totally Chen's fault. He was playing the drive, and should of been on the shooter tighter. Thats where Chen lost his focus, and was his fault.

After that he never got off the bench again.

Please rewatch the video tape once more........ :roll:

The pass was to Yao Ming at a very close distance......and not to Sun Yue. Yao Ming did not even catch the ball.

On the first 3, you're right that he got knocked down during his layup, and someone should pick up his slack in defense........

But had you ever thought if he had not try to show off with that very fancy dribble/penetration/layup of his, then there would not have that 3-pointer by the German point guard?

pryuen, remember you said China only had a very very slim chance of beating Germany. Time for you to kiss donkey assz.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:36 am
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nomad_balla wrote:
pryuen has been poisoned by CCTV commentators who picks on every little mistake of chen jiang hua and never says a word when liu wei goes on and takes three forced shots late in the game while missing badly giving the germans a chance to come back from a double digit deficit. liu wei's TO's are retarded and his shot selection is horrendous. the real problem is liu wei and many on the forum tend to agree that he is a moron.

so you are happy to argue who's cooler: a fag or a homo. both of them are gay

but pryuen's point is that liu might miss those jumpers but that's because he simply sucks at shooting... he isn't FORCING them persay they're good open shots he simply misses

chen is a chucker. he is totally undeveloped. what the ****** is a coach supposed to say when he wades into the paint with no idea what to do and chucks it in the air praying for a 10% chance it'll 1)not get blocked 2)he wont be called for a charge 3)it'll miraculously drop into the basket

Chen obviously has more talent than Liu but it's LMAO for you guys to go after pryuen for having issues with his game THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY EVIDENT

any of you think Chen doesn't chuck? and it's not like the dude can dish to yao either. if you're a coach trying to ring out wins from this team would you honestly play Chen? at least Liu will try to execute the plays you call...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:41 am
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ko_xinga wrote:
pryuen, remember you said China only had a very very slim chance of beating Germany. Time for you to kiss donkey assz.

as long as we're calling out people. how about all the fags who were crying Yao couldn't shoot/out of condition/sucks after injury?

he's getting better every game and will deliver as long as he continues to get early touches as the people on this board who know anything about basketball were saying all along

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:13 am
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It's okay for chen to drive in and then dish it out to WZZ like he did in the 1st quarter but not if he goes on offense and loses his man and doesn't get back on D. Chinas strategy is simply just to throw it into Yao at all costs even when Yi is there. Yi plays more of a role on defense and clean up like a Chris Bosh this Olympics.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:29 am
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That is an awesome quote by Tem...

"Although guard play has been homo, it's also been able to contain game-breaking TOs and hit enough jumpers to not lose games. "

The homo guard play of China is hidden by the gem of Yao and Yi.
Dirk and Kaman can go lick their wounds now.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:03 pm
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Every time they play international competition, Liu Wei gets the ball taken off him a few times, or he makes a few dumb passes. Someone has to tell him that this is unacceptable as this level of play. Against an inferior defense like Germany he does that, it doesn't matter so much, against Greece, Greece is going to have a field day, they make you pay.

As inexperienced as CJH is, watch for Jonas to play CJH a lot against Greece, at least he doesn't get the ball taken off him as easily. If China can withstand the Greece press and play a good game, I will be content.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:05 pm
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Also Liu Wei and WSP couldn't hit anything in this game. They are not good shooters, plus they had good chances in this game.

Zhu was closely guarded in this game, the Germans probably scouted him out from previous games. That's why he missed everything. But Liu Wei and WSP had open looks and couldn't hit anything.

I like the fact that Yao has been taking 3s when he's open. I rather he do that than the guards gets the ball taken off them.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:52 pm
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Malorkayel wrote:
puffer_dogface wrote:
mdking wrote:
pryuen wrote:
robWu wrote:

and get chen out of the doghouse.......dont know what kind of crap offense liu wei was running down the stretch, but force feeding yao every time down or jacking up long 3's cause the shot clock's gone is not smart.

Chen Jianghua was responsible for China losing its 10-point lead quickly within 2 minutes in 2Q for play bad bad defense on Germany's point guard. 2 consecutive 3-pointers let the German cut the deficit to only 4 points.

what a nerve wrecking win. China needs a good strong guard. We have enough big men. But a good guard is hard to find these days.
China will be strong in th gaurd spot in the next 2years..Sun Yue will have more experience and he'll influence some other bigger and stronger point gaurds for CNT in the future.

Sun Yue is started to become a legit NBA level guard. His outside shooting has improved and he had 2 blocks and 2 steals today.

What impress me the most is his stamina for defense and risking his body to block shots.

Good momentum to carry him to the Lakers roster.
Absolutely right..i love his game..he'll be a great help in the lakers association. aslong they give him playing time. He'll do good in defending strong and faster point gaurds here in the west. who ever was the scout for LA did a good job....excited to get Sun lakers jersey..and Yi Nets...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:23 pm
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Watching Wang Shipeng play in the first half made me want to gouge my eyes out. It was totally a wtf moment each time he touched the ball. Liu Wei...he's more of a shooting guard than a point guard. And that's just sad.

Sun Yue has nice athleticism, as we all know. I love his ability to swoop in from behind for those rejections.

YJL had a decent effort, and really didn't show any true lapses this time around. If he can continue in this direction, the CNT will be much stronger for it.

Overall a hard fought game between two very evenly matched teams. China was not on fire from the perimeter as they had been in the previous games, but it didn't matter. Now it's on to Greece and the rest of the tournament.

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