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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:23 am
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Less than 2 minutes to go.

Beijing Ducks is cruising to victory.....95 ~ 88.


But Wang Zhelin got his second 20/20 !!! :P :P :P

He is now with 22 points (8/19 FG% 6/11 FT%), 24 rebounds (14 of which were offensive rebounds), 1 assist, 3 steals and 2 block shots.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:56 am
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Fujian SBS Xunxin eventually lost 99 ~ 90.

If they had BETTER utilized Wang Zhelin, they might be able to upset Beijing Ducks.


For the whole 2H, Wang Zhelin had only got 6 freaking shot attempts which he converted 3 of them. And out of those 6 shot attempts, more than half of them were from his grabbing offensive rebounds for his own shots.

With his 22 points and 24 rebounds, he now tied with Li Xiaoxu (who scored 29 points/18 rebounds/5 assists/1 block shot tonight to lead Liaoning Jiebao to beat Foshan Draglions to secure their playoff slot) in total rebounds and rebounds per game (13 rpg) and goes back to averaging
20 ppg and 13 rpg. Only 2 Chinese players managed averaging 20/10 so far. The other one is Yi Jianlian with 26 ppg/10.3 rpg.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:23 am
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It is amazing that a 19 Year old lad can stand next to Yi in stats. It appears that Wang is better than a 19 year old Bateer. The future is bright...

As I have always believe, rebounding number is a much more important statistic to judge a player's ability. Wang is averaging 13 rebounds. The other 13 rebound guy, Li, should have been part of the CNT too.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:35 am
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No Way!




pryuen wrote:

Fujian SBS Xunxin eventually lost 99 ~ 90.

If they had BETTER utilized Wang Zhelin, they might be able to upset Beijing Ducks.


For the whole 2H, Wang Zhelin had only got 6 freaking shot attempts which he converted 3 of them. And out of those 6 shot attempts, more than half of them were from his grabbing offensive rebounds for his own shots.

With his 22 points and 24 rebounds, he now tied with Li Xiaoxu (who scored 29 points/18 rebounds/5 assists/1 block shot tonight to lead Liaoning Jiebao to beat Foshan Draglions to secure their playoff slot) in total rebounds and rebounds per game (13 rpg) and goes back to averaging
20 ppg and 13 rpg. Only 2 Chinese players managed averaging 20/10 so far. The other one is Yi Jianlian with 26 ppg/10.3 rpg.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:36 am
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Rebound is a stat to judge a big man, but not guards.



bobliu wrote:
It is amazing that a 19 Year old lad can stand next to Yi in stats. It appears that Wang is better than a 19 year old Bateer. The future is bright...

As I have always believe, rebounding number is a much more important statistic to judge a player's ability. Wang is averaging 13 rebounds. The other 13 rebound guy, Li, should have been part of the CNT too.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:22 am
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directshoot wrote:
No Way!


Did you EVEN watch this game like I did BEFORE you made that comment??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wang Zhelin was creating all sort of troubles for Beijing Ducks' weak interior in 1Q. He threw ALMOST EVERY OF Beijing Ducks interior players into foul trouble in 1Q: Han Chongkai (2 fouls), Zhu Yanxi (2 fouls), Chang Lin (3 fouls).

OR ELSE WHY do you think Coach Min Lulei had to send on Randolph Morris in the 5:30 minutes mark of 1Q??? The usual game plan was Randolph Morris would only play in 2Q, with Stephon Marbury playing the full 1Q.

But even for Randolph Morris, he was blocked once by Wang Zhelin and also got 2 fouls in 1Q.

Wang Zhelin had 10 points/9 rebounds at the end of 1Q, and 14 points/11 rebounds by half time.

But when both teams played 2 expats in 2H, those stupid Fujian guards kept ignoring Wang Zhelin even though he was in good positions within the paint demanding the rocks.


For the full second half, he only got 6 shot attempts, and most of them were from second offensive possessions he earned by fighting for offensive rebounds.

The Fujian guards Sunidata Gaines (5/16 FG% 0/5 3-pointer%) and Zhao Tailong (5/13 FG% 3/8 3-pointer%) just kept bricking their shots, and wasted Wang Zhelin's stamina and energy by having him to run back immediately to back court for defense.

That also explained WHY Wang Zhelin seemed running out of steam towards the end of 4Q, as he played for 43 minutes in this game, with only 5 minutes' breather.

If those stupid Fujian guards were NOT playing THAT SELFISH and be wiser in their shot selections, tried to find and pass to Wang Zhelin MORE, personally think Wang Zhelin and Will McDonald could have dominated Beijing Ducks' interior and would not have lost the game.

After all, both Zhu Yanxi and Randolph Morris were at the brink of fouling out with 5 fouls each at the end of 4Q, and Stephon Marbury was obviously tired and playing subpar. He bricked most of his 3-pointers and only scored 25 points (9/21 FG% 1/9 3-pointer% 6/7 FT%), 5 rebounds, 5 assists but with 5 turnovers too.



pryuen wrote:

Fujian SBS Xunxin eventually lost 99 ~ 90.

If they had BETTER utilized Wang Zhelin, they might be able to upset Beijing Ducks.


For the whole 2H, Wang Zhelin had only got 6 freaking shot attempts which he converted 3 of them. And out of those 6 shot attempts, more than half of them were from his grabbing offensive rebounds for his own shots.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:54 am
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I think he meant "no way! That's awesome!" in that sense.

It's impressive how his numbers have inflated to where they are at his age. It's also nice to see that there isnt as much controversy about his age compared to with Yi....yet anyway.

Rebounds are a big showing number for big men for sure, especially in the CBA where its so often dominated by the expats. He's still not as explosive as he could be but he sure knows how to use his body and size. That's something that's rare in a young big man. Definitely not Bateer-esque like someone else mentioned though.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:01 am
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Momak wrote:
I think he meant "no way! That's awesome!" in that sense.


NAAAAAAAAH, he REALLY meant NO WAY that Fujian SBS Xunxin could beat Beijing Jinyu Capital Steel Ducks.

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is a devout fan for the Beijing Ducks cos he said his uncle is the GM of the Beijing Ducks.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:05 am
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directshoot wrote:
Rebound is a stat to judge a big man, but not guards.


THAT'S DIRECTSH!!!!!!!!!T !!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Rebounds are also an important yardstick to measure HOW GOOD a guard is in defense.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:13 am
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pryuen wrote:
directshoot wrote:
Rebound is a stat to judge a big man, but not guards.


THAT'S DIRECTSH!!!!!!!!!T !!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Rebounds are also an important yardstick to measure HOW GOOD a guard is in defense.


Not necessarily true. rebounds for guards could mean different things, not necessarily a measure of good defense. Remember how the people were saying Battier wasnt a very good rebounder for his size? Also look up Bruce Bowen's stats. Rebounds for guards usually show hustle and off-ball awareness. Man to man defense is a different point. Team defense may factor into it though. And also some guards are really good at getting offensive rebounds.


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