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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:12 am
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Malorkayel wrote:
I really doubt Marbury's mother is 70.


She looks older than 70, or too young for 70 ??? :?: :?: :?:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:50 am
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They were tired. It's not a bad thing for them. They can take a break and prepare for the following two battles at home against Shandong who is No. 1 right now and Tmac's Qingdao.



pryuen wrote:


Maybe the break/rest on Sunday had affected the form and conditions of the Beijing Jinyu Capital Steel Ducks.

They snapped their winning streak of 3, and was surprisingly beaten by Tianjin Ronggang 96 ~ 87 last night on their own home court and lost their leading position in the league.

The ageless Stephon Marbury proved he is notches above one of the best point guards in Asia, Osama Dahgles. He was in his offensive mode in the second half last night trying to save his team; he gave a spirited performance by scoring 32 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 4 steals as his 70-year-old mother was in the stand to cheer and raved support for his son.

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But the rest of the Ducks did not do too well to provide support to Stephon Marbury. Randolph Morris just contributed 9 points/10 rebounds, as he was sort of dominated by Donnell Harvey of Tianjin Ronggang.

Zhai Xiaochuan (10 points), Li Gen (11 points) and Zhu Yanxi (12 points) combined for 33 points only.


On Tianjin side, Donnell Harvey played an AWESOME game and completely dominated the glass; he scored a double-double of 26 points and 22 rebounds.

Osama Dahgles did well too, contributing 17 points, 7 rebounds and 5 assists.

But their hero last night was unexpectedly their 33-year-old veteran Xu Guijun who erupted to score 30 points.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:54 am
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directshoot wrote:
They were tired. It's not a bad thing for them. They can take a break and prepare for the following two battles at home against Shandong who is No. 1 right now and Tmac's Qingdao.


THAT WAS A BAD EXCUSE. :roll:

Beijing Jinyu Capital Steel Ducks did not have to play last Sunday, while Tianjin Ronggang had to.

That means since last Friday, the Beijing team had 4 days of rest before meeting Tianjian on Wednesday, while the Tianjin team had only 2 days of rest.


WHICH TEAM WAS MORE TIRED ???? :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:10 am
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Wang Zhelin's 20/10 streak was snapped when his team crashed to the ground in Nanjing to a resurgent Jiangsu Nangang Dragons playing with 3 expat (2 US + 1 Jordanian expat).

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Wang Zhelin's Fujian SBS Xunxin had a slow start, and Will McDonald could not guard Mike Harris effectively and let Mike Harris tormented Fujian SBS Xunxin interior, which resulted in Jiangsu Nangang Dragons galloped to lead 40 ~ 18 in 1Q.

Fujian SBS Xunxin reduced the arrears by 4 points by half time, but then by end of 3Q, the game was basically over with Jiangsu Nangang Dragons leading 88 ~ 62.

But Wang Zhelin did not give up, led a run of 9 ~ 0 in early 4Q, nut the hole was just too big for him and his team to climb out of.


Wang Zhelin's 20/10 streak was broken, but his 20+ scoring streak continued. He was just 1 rebound away to get his 4th 20/10 in 5 games. He scored 21 points (7/16 FG% 7/10 FT%), 9 rebounds and 3 assists.

Offensive wise, he was still doing okay playing against Garret Siler and Mike Harris, repeatedly grabbed offensive rebounds (7 offensive rebounds out of 9 rebounds) for his put-backs/tip-ins; he also made a few And 1 shots over Garret Siler and Mike Harris but not converting every of his And 1 free throws. He was double-teamed most of the time, but showed some improving skills of passing out of double-team which resulted in 3 assists for him.

But his weakness on defence were exposed as both the expats of Jiangsu Nangang Dragons were playing like possessed.

Mike Harris had an AWESOME game of 41 points (15/25 FG% 3/7 3-pointer% 8/8 FT%), 15 rebounds, 1 assist and 4 block shots.


Garret Siler scored 19 points (7/8 FG% 5/8 FT%), 9 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 block shot.

Meng Da
contributed 20 points (8/16 FG% 4/9 3-pointer%), 6 rebounds and 3 assists.

On Fujian side, Will McDonald were also helpless facing Mike Harris; he only scored 25 points and grabbed 7 rebounds.

Sundiata Gaines
scored a double-double of 20 points/10 rebounds, 2 assists and 5 steals.

Lo Yiting,
their backup point guard from Hong Kong scored 13 points, 2 rebounds and 2 assists.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:26 am
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So after a day's rest, Wang Zhelin is going to face another stern test.

Fujian SBS Xunxin will be travelling to Yiwu of Zhejiang to play against Zhejiang Chouzhou Bank tomorrow (December 7, Friday).

Zhejiang Chouzhou Bank had just announced that they had waived Josh Boone, and signed Eddy Curry (who got waived by Dallas Mavericks earlier in this season) instead.

Eddy Curry had arrived into Yiwu, and will start in tomorrow's game.


So another trial of Wang Zhelin through baptism of fire pitching against a NBA veteran centre.



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:02 am
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They are tired for keeping the undefeated record at home. Since March, they have never lost a game at home court. I'm not talking about physical fatigue. It's mental tiredness.

It's extremely hard to be a champion in a consecutive year. Even in NBA, only Chicago, Boston, LA and Houston can do it.

In Beijing basketball history, the last time they won the champ was 1983, which is 30 years ago.



pryuen wrote:
directshoot wrote:
They were tired. It's not a bad thing for them. They can take a break and prepare for the following two battles at home against Shandong who is No. 1 right now and Tmac's Qingdao.


THAT WAS A BAD EXCUSE. :roll:

Beijing Jinyu Capital Steel Ducks did not have to play last Sunday, while Tianjin Ronggang had to.

That means since last Friday, the Beijing team had 4 days of rest before meeting Tianjian on Wednesday, while the Tianjin team had only 2 days of rest.


WHICH TEAM WAS MORE TIRED ???? :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:18 pm
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pryuen wrote:

But his (Wang Zhelin) weakness on defence were exposed as both the expats of Jiangsu Nangang Dragons were playing like possessed.

Mike Harris had an AWESOME game of 41 points (15/25 FG% 3/7 3-pointer% 8/8 FT%), 15 rebounds, 1 assist and 4 block shots.

Garret Siler scored 19 points (7/8 FG% 5/8 FT%), 9 rebounds, 1 assist and 1 block shot.




Mike Harris is a SF, so I don't think Wang Zhelin was matched up against him. Garret Siler is the Center on that team, so he was probably matched up with Siler on defense.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:03 pm
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yaominginfohere wrote:

Mike Harris is a SF, so I don't think Wang Zhelin was matched up against him. Garret Siler is the Center on that team, so he was probably matched up with Siler on defense.



Well, back in NBA or NBDL, Mike Harris' natural position could be a small forward.

But since playing in CBA, he had been used primarily as a power forward, and sometimes he played in position 5.

In China, you can play your 2 expats 6 times in 4 quarters. So very often, every team plays 1 expat in 1Q, another expat in 2Q, and then deploy both expat in 3Q and 4Q. (Well, the team is allowed to substitute in 1 expat for another during the quarter, but the principle is you can only have 1 expat on the court at any time in the 2 quarters that you played only 1 expat).

In this game, Mike Harris started in 1Q as the centre; then Garret Siler in 2Q.

So Wang Zhelin was matched up against Mike Harris in 1Q.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:53 pm
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directshoot wrote:
They are tired for keeping the undefeated record at home. Since March, they have never lost a game at home court. I'm not talking about physical fatigue. It's mental tiredness.


ANOTHER PIECE OF DIRECTSH!!!!!!!T !! :roll: :roll: :roll:

CBA season starts November and ends March.

So this excuse of they being mentally tired that they never lost a game at home court since March, IMHO, is BULLSH!!!!T !!! :roll:

YEAH,
they won the playoff in March 2012 for the CBA Championship. HOW MANY home games in the winning streak you're talking about???

From April to the start of this season, don't think Beijing Jinyu Capital Steel Ducks played alot of game at their home court. Even if they had won all the games in Beijing during the off season, they were mostly friendlies or preseason games which does not count to their result.


It's TOO EARLY to talk about MENTAL TIREDNESS for winning TOO MANY games on their own home court, since it's only the 5th round in the new season, and they had a break in the 4th round; and if I'm not mistaken, they had only won the first game against Shanghai MAXXIS Sharks in Beijing, the other 2 games were won away. And they lost in the 2nd home game to Tianjin !!

In a short season like CBA, every game counts towards your position in the league, and will affect the matching when playoff comes.

Like I said, and agreed by Beijing Jinyu Capital Steel Ducks Head Coach Min Lulei, the 4-days break/rest sort of impacted the Beijing team; the young players got relaxed and off the guard; they did not train as hard as they used to do and that they lost their shooting touch, and probably they had taken the Tianjin Ronggang too lightly, thinking they could win the game easily.


So instead of being mentally tired as you suggested, the Beijing Ducks were mentally relaxed because of the 4-days break/rest, and not that mentally prepared for playing against Tianjin Ronggang, which traditionally is a very weak team.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:28 am
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They are tired so they can't help relaxing their minds. You know what I'm talking about? Tired and relaxed are not unrelated. There is a reason behind it. You can say they are relaxed b/c they are satisfied with current results and standing, the 3 wins. But it's also a big issue for them about how to handle the pressure which the champ of last season brings to them. It's a different view from another aspect. As Marbury said in the Ad: Gaining the champ is hard, keeping it with me is even harder.

Nobody can even remember when Ducks lost their home game last time. It's probably back to this March, when the playoff of last season began. From then, they play more than 10 games and never lose. So this is a sudden losing, which is also embarrassing.

They are trying to build a new dynasty now, like Bayi in the 90s and Guangdong in the 00s. It's a very difficult process. They need to focus on the court for every single game and can't easily lose concentration. I admit that Tianjin is pretty weak, but just 3 years ago, Ducks was a bottom team in the league and lost to Tianjin twice. The Ducks need to make significant changes from the past and grab every win.


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