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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:04 am
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He gets LOADS of criticism. Only people he should listen to are his teammates and his coach. As fans we are there to support him not teach him how to run the pick and roll. 8)


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:17 am
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Sure he gets loads of criticism. But he deserves it. It's one thing if the criticism were just, "Yao sucks." It's altogether something else when people criticize him for things that in theory he should be able to improve on, and for things that are preventing him from realizing his potential.

Fans have every right to to express their frustration with him. Seeing that people have some emotion invested in this is much better than apathy or indifference. Wang Zhi Zhi gets a lot less criticism than Yao, and that's because of indifference -- people concede that he can't get any better, so nobody really gives a damn about him.

Besides, this isn't a call for more criticism. It's justification for the level of criticism already given. It's frustation with people attacking anybody who criticizes Yao, accusing them of being a hater. Sure, some of these guys are true haters. But lots of us aren't -- we're just wanting someting more from Yao. More success, more wins. That's a key part of being a fan.


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:24 am
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maguro wrote:
Fans have every right to to express their frustration with him. Seeing that people have some emotion invested in this is much better than apathy or indifference.


TRUE.

But then how come

:arrow: Have a very bad game: Missing a few passes; missing his free throws; getting his shots blocked became acts of cowardice

and

:arrow: when has "not mentally tough enough yet" becomes equivalent to "cowardice" ??


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:27 am
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You are assuming that he can fullfill the expectations you have put out there for him. What if he cant? What if he is just who he is and nothing more nothing less? At what point does the criticism stop and you just accept him for who he is? At what point to you move on to cheer a differnt player if he isnt good enough for you?

Hell... what if he CAN fullfill those expectations but just isnt ready quite yet? We are not Yao. We cannot live his life and he most certainly was not born to please us. He is gonna lead his life as he chooses, do the best he can and if we cant deal with that OH WELL. If there is something that im sure about him is that he wants to be the best he can be and is willing to work hard for it. I say cheer for him and enjoy his career while it lasts and leave the sour grapes behind.


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:36 am
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cowardice and mental weakness go in hand-in-hand

I dont think Yao is mentally weak, but he is certainly not mentally strong. His simpy got an average mental toughness. THe problem is, the nba is full of some of the meanest-baddest Muggafuggers on planet earth. If they werent basketballers they'd be the head gangsta / jailrat in their block. Yao is never gonna be meaner than these guys, but he must at least get tough enough to stand his ground on a regular basis.


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:48 am
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pryuen wrote:
:arrow: when has "not mentally tough enough yet" becomes equivalent to "cowardice" ??
since 10 TOs (+ dropped passes & fumbled reb, not counted as TOs) in a game = butter-fingeritis

Chuck__187 wrote:
cowardice and mental weakness go in hand-in-hand


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 12:55 am
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pryuen wrote:
when has "not mentally tough enough yet" becomes equivalent to "cowardice"


Well, Pry, yours is a legitimate question. Cowardice is probably too strong an accusation. But lack of mental toughness is too generous.

When he fails to deliver anything of value in the biggest game of the season it makes you wonder if he fears the pressure and responsiblity. When he continually defers to others and fails to assert himself, it makes you wonder if he's afraid of a leadership role. When he recurringly fails to pull down critical rebounds, it makes you wonder if he lacks resoluteness under the basket. When he backs down after provocation (no, a few seconds of glaring doesn't count for anything, esp. without a performance to back it up), it makes you wonder if he lacks courage. When he drops passes setting him up for easy dunks, or misses way too many critical free throws, you have to wonder if he's scared.

I don't think I'd say outright he's a coward. But I know for sure his problems go beyond a lack of mental toughness or determination. I have seem some stretches of dominant play in this series from him. But I have not seen any aggression, fearlessness, or valor in him in this series. I've seen it in TMac, in Sura, in Barry, in James, in Mutombo -- they've all shown at one point or another the warrior spirit.

Yao hasn't. We all know the playoffs are a battle. If he's not fighting because he doesn't have the strength and/or skills, that's fine. But we all believe he does have the strength and skills. So let me ask you this: what do you call someone who does have those assets, but won't go battle along with his teammates?


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:03 am
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C"mon guys, everyone is being way too hard on Yao. He is not a coward if he choked under pressure or if he doesn't have the mental toughness yet to hang in a playoff game.

If Yao was a "coward", he could have stayed in China, contently be a star in the CBA and never test himself in the NBA. He's come over, had to battle other teams/players, referees, coaches and even fans.

He is one brave man, who is trying to live up to the expectations of an entire country (China), the expectations of Asians in the US, and those in the NBA community who feel Yao can be a super star.

To be honest, if Yao chokes, it's really none of our business. We can be bitterly disappointed but it's his life and not ours. Could we honestly say that IF WE WERE in Yao's shoes, that we would do better? We can't say that with 100% certainty.


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:13 am
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"To be honest, if Yao chokes, it's really none of our business. We can be bitterly disappointed but it's his life and not ours. Could we honestly say that IF WE WERE in Yao's shoes, that we would do better? We can't say that with 100% certainty."

AMEN!


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2005 1:16 am
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bblock12000 wrote:
pryuen wrote:
:arrow: when has "not mentally tough enough yet" becomes equivalent to "cowardice" ??
since 10 TOs (+ dropped passes & fumbled reb, not counted as TOs) in a game = butter-fingeritis

Chuck__187 wrote:
cowardice and mental weakness go in hand-in-hand


you can stop watching Yao if you do not like him


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