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<  Yao on the court, and his most recent game  ~  Bill Walton also mentioned, Yao need good coaching...

PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:56 pm
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During the pregame show, they talked about the Yao's less met expentation, one thing besides "meaner", he really needs good coaching, he just stopped short indicating the poor job JVG done with Yao, but funny enouhg, steve jones immediately followed with " you mean JVG...?"

Deep down, without Yao, rox will go nowhere, either Yao or JVG will leave..


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:05 am
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Is Patrick Ewing still coaching Yao Ming?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:31 am
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this isn't the first time that walton has said point blank that "jeff van gundy is not the right coach for yao ming."

you people are going to go nuts but he also insinuated the reason that Yao ming isn't playing well is the wrong coaching. he compared yao to both jordan and shaq by saying that both of those guys more or less owed their championship owning playing to Phil Jackson,

JVG is a decent coach but he's overrated and one-dimensional.

bottom line. all coaches are NOT hired to do the same thing nor to same expecttions. for a rebuilding coach a 40-40 season would be victory. for another, a playoff berth would exceed expectation. given the situation and talent in houston, JVG was hired to win championships. anything short of that is wasted opportunity of houston's coaching slot in the eyes of many observers. if JVG isn't the right coach for YAO. he should go. none of the other players on the houston team have the POTENTIAL to win a championship. this includes McGrady as he has proven EVERY year he's been in the NBA.

the focus of the team seems to be very short sighted at the moment... win immediate games. at this point it's very clear that JVG being a small man thinks that to keep his job he needs to fight for every short term win... and NOT to get yao involved and develop him. in the long run that's going to get the team nowhere. he might as well have gone to orlando and kept mcgrady there if that's his vision and done the best with the tools he had there

bottom line is houston is yao's team. whether they win the championship is entirely going to be due to the extent of yao's development the next 3 years. looking at it that way this year's been an entire waste of half a season for the Houston Rockets


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:11 am
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temuchin wrote:
this isn't the first time that walton has said point blank that "jeff van gundy is not the right coach for yao ming."

you people are going to go nuts but he also insinuated the reason that Yao ming isn't playing well is the wrong coaching. he compared yao to both jordan and shaq by saying that both of those guys more or less owed their championship owning playing to Phil Jackson,

JVG is a decent coach but he's overrated and one-dimensional.

bottom line. all coaches are NOT hired to do the same thing nor to same expecttions. for a rebuilding coach a 40-40 season would be victory. for another, a playoff berth would exceed expectation. given the situation and talent in houston, JVG was hired to win championships. anything short of that is wasted opportunity of houston's coaching slot in the eyes of many observers. if JVG isn't the right coach for YAO. he should go. none of the other players on the houston team have the POTENTIAL to win a championship. this includes McGrady as he has proven EVERY year he's been in the NBA.

the focus of the team seems to be very short sighted at the moment... win immediate games. at this point it's very clear that JVG being a small man thinks that to keep his job he needs to fight for every short term win... and NOT to get yao involved and develop him. in the long run that's going to get the team nowhere. he might as well have gone to orlando and kept mcgrady there if that's his vision and done the best with the tools he had there

bottom line is houston is yao's team. whether they win the championship is entirely going to be due to the extent of yao's development the next 3 years. looking at it that way this year's been an entire waste of half a season for the Houston Rockets


Well said. The fate of the Rockets rest solely on Yao's development.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:21 am
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i agreed with Bill. he also said Yao needs more PT in order to be consistent. without a decent PF, Yao isn't getting much help.

I am so disguised by JVG offense play. why the heck JVG using Yao on high pick and roll?

sura brings the ball up, Yao set high pick and roll. sura will then either miss or shot the ball. if sura misses than no one was able to rebound. also if sura was able to enter the paint, I see so many guards from heats but none from rox. rox all went to the primeter and Yao is so far away from pick and roll.

why why why? where the heck was howard? shouldn't he be the one for high pick and roll and not Yao?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:11 am
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Walton, and many others, basically suggested that JVG is the wrong coach for Yao and not doing anything to help his development. He went on to state that Phil Jackson would be the right coach for Yao and lead the Rockets to a championship, but that Phil wouldn't want to come to Houston.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 3:13 pm
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I am very glad Bill Walton finally spoke it out. I always respect Bill very much!!!, in particular after I read his article about Yao 4 years ago. But, I think Calvin Murphy could be as good a coach as Phil Jackson for rocketsv in some sense. Of course the best of all is the former Grizzle coach Mr. Brown!


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 4:13 pm
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what Yao need is to go to the bigmen camp that Pete Newell runs. To bad Yao doesn't have time during the summer.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:14 pm
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Love the analysis, JVG has abandoned his philsophy (defense first) in favor of a more up-tempo offense, mainly to win games, which translate to job security. Coaches have different style, for instance Bill Fitch was known to take bad teams into contenders, he rebuilds teams while Phil took his system to a group of accomplished players that can work within his system.

For Yao, I believe he needs a coach that will allow him to grow, not forced into a system, which is what JVG was doing. Rudy T. would've let Yao roam around more I think, playing without fear of coach getting upset.

In all fairness, JVG is a decent coach, but his system just doesn't fit the players in Houston, even as they try to hire anyone that has played for him before.

I also think Yao can probably part with Patrick Gorilla-ewing. Yao needs to work with a big man coach that understands footwork, drop steps, etc. Ewing was a fadaway shooter, whereas McHale, Olajuwon, Walton, etc. have the best footwork in the low post, that's what Yao needs now.
temuchin wrote:
this isn't the first time that walton has said point blank that "jeff van gundy is not the right coach for yao ming."

you people are going to go nuts but he also insinuated the reason that Yao ming isn't playing well is the wrong coaching. he compared yao to both jordan and shaq by saying that both of those guys more or less owed their championship owning playing to Phil Jackson,

JVG is a decent coach but he's overrated and one-dimensional.

bottom line. all coaches are NOT hired to do the same thing nor to same expecttions. for a rebuilding coach a 40-40 season would be victory. for another, a playoff berth would exceed expectation. given the situation and talent in houston, JVG was hired to win championships. anything short of that is wasted opportunity of houston's coaching slot in the eyes of many observers. if JVG isn't the right coach for YAO. he should go. none of the other players on the houston team have the POTENTIAL to win a championship. this includes McGrady as he has proven EVERY year he's been in the NBA.

the focus of the team seems to be very short sighted at the moment... win immediate games. at this point it's very clear that JVG being a small man thinks that to keep his job he needs to fight for every short term win... and NOT to get yao involved and develop him. in the long run that's going to get the team nowhere. he might as well have gone to orlando and kept mcgrady there if that's his vision and done the best with the tools he had there

bottom line is houston is yao's team. whether they win the championship is entirely going to be due to the extent of yao's development the next 3 years. looking at it that way this year's been an entire waste of half a season for the Houston Rockets


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:31 pm
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Good points. One other thing that Yao fans shouldn't like about how JVG uses Yao: THE FAWCKING RUNNING!!!!! I'm serious, Yao runs ALL OVER the court - on offence, on defence, all the time. It's just too much. Yao is pretty much asked to do everything out there, and in the long run, from a health standpoint, that's NOT going to be good for Yao, especially considering his schedule.

Aceman...........out


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